Comments on: “Eckhart Tolle, Who do you say that I Am?” – Jesus- http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/ Where the future guides the present Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:37:35 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1565 prolepticlife Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:54:32 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1565 Gee Robin, you sound like you have it all together. Other than all the bitterness and venom. Gee Robin, you sound like you have it all together. Other than all the bitterness and venom.

]]> By: Robin http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1564 Robin Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:33:27 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1564 Of course Christians have misunderstood and distorted the message of Christ! Of course orthodox Christians have not understood Jesus for 2000 years! And of course Eckhart Tolle does not need Jesus or the Bible to support his position! Because the illumination had by both Jesus and Eckhart Tolle are from the same source: the Cosmic, Being or God. That is why Eckhart Tolle understands Jesus much more clearly than any so called erudite and ignorant God-fearing Bible punching Christian, because he has gained his knowledge through illumination with the Source like Jesus, which very people are capable of experiencing. Do you think you can experience God or Being, just by reading and analysing the Bible and holding certain convictions or beliefs? Nonsense! You will never understand Tolle or God fully if you insist on living in some academic world of Bible analysis. I'll tell you what. And this will be a shocker to you. Pick up the Bible and throw it in the fire and watch it burn! Now go outside, sit under a tree, clear your thoughts, forget that you are a Christian, and try and feel the world around you, the blowing of the wind on your face, the smell of flowers, the chirping of birds, and just concentrate on feeling the energy inside you and around you and the presence of that invisible force. Now do this every day, for as long as it takes, and maybe some day, you might just understand and have some sort of slight illumination. But I doubt it! The Bible, the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad, Moses,Walt Whitman,Dr Maurice Bucke, Francis Bacon, Dante and all great spiritual leaders and religious and spiritual writings get their knowledge from the Source! And the Source can ONLY be directly experienced by illumination. And the word illumination has nothing to do with opening up your arms and crying out for Jesus to accept you! Has nothing to do with it! It is the conscious experience with the Divine Consciousnes. All religions and spritual leaders point to the source, the essence of that one spiritual teaching which comes in many forms. The teachings of Jesus is one form and Buddha is another. But their message is the same: find that one spiritual source which all religions declare exists. Even though you are a Christian, your reliance on the Bible is very similar to the Moslems' reverance of the Koran. You are like a student who goes to university in search of knowledge, and thinks that by worshiping some professor you will gain learning. The professor is just a guide! Who gives a damn what is correct or not correct in the Bible! Who gives a damn about the Sabbath or the correct day of the crucifixion! And you are right: you have to be a 1st grader to go on using the Bible as some absolute reference point. Of course Christians have misunderstood and distorted the message of Christ! Of course orthodox Christians have not understood Jesus for 2000 years! And of course Eckhart Tolle does not need Jesus or the Bible to support his position! Because the illumination had by both Jesus and Eckhart Tolle are from the same source: the Cosmic, Being or God. That is why Eckhart Tolle understands Jesus much more clearly than any so called erudite and ignorant God-fearing Bible punching Christian, because he has gained his knowledge through illumination with the Source like Jesus, which very people are capable of experiencing. Do you think you can experience God or Being, just by reading and analysing the Bible and holding certain convictions or beliefs? Nonsense! You will never understand Tolle or God fully if you insist on living in some academic world of Bible analysis. I’ll tell you what. And this will be a shocker to you. Pick up the Bible and throw it in the fire and watch it burn! Now go outside, sit under a tree, clear your thoughts, forget that you are a Christian, and try and feel the world around you, the blowing of the wind on your face, the smell of flowers, the chirping of birds, and just concentrate on feeling the energy inside you and around you and the presence of that invisible force. Now do this every day, for as long as it takes, and maybe some day, you might just understand and have some sort of slight illumination. But I doubt it! The Bible, the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad, Moses,Walt Whitman,Dr Maurice Bucke, Francis Bacon, Dante and all great spiritual leaders and religious and spiritual writings get their knowledge from the Source! And the Source can ONLY be directly experienced by illumination. And the word illumination has nothing to do with opening up your arms and crying out for Jesus to accept you! Has nothing to do with it! It is the conscious experience with the Divine Consciousnes. All religions and spritual leaders point to the source, the essence of that one spiritual teaching which comes in many forms. The teachings of Jesus is one form and Buddha is another. But their message is the same: find that one spiritual source which all religions declare exists. Even though you are a Christian, your reliance on the Bible is very similar to the Moslems’ reverance of the Koran. You are like a student who goes to university in search of knowledge, and thinks that by worshiping some professor you will gain learning. The professor is just a guide! Who gives a damn what is correct or not correct in the Bible! Who gives a damn about the Sabbath or the correct day of the crucifixion! And you are right: you have to be a 1st grader to go on using the Bible as some absolute reference point.

]]> By: dayofwrath http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1563 dayofwrath Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:47:00 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1563 The message of the cross is nonsense to those who are being destroyed,but it is God power to us who are being saved.the power of now is not in or from eckhart tolle,but from God.the power is the cross and now is the word that the church emphasizes on it:the holy past is present "now" with power.let oprah and eckhart if they dare,to speak on tv about the real "power of now" of the cross the true miracle of the blood in the book the coin of the temple by souheil bayoud.there you will find who is the false guru christ and who is the real Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. dayofwrath The message of the cross is nonsense to those who are being destroyed,but it is God power to us who are being saved.the power of now is not in or from eckhart tolle,but from God.the power is the cross and now is the word that the church emphasizes on it:the holy past is present “now” with power.let oprah and eckhart if they dare,to speak on tv about the real “power of now” of the cross the true miracle of the blood in the book the coin of the temple by souheil bayoud.there you will find who is the false guru christ and who is the real Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior.
dayofwrath

]]> By: michael http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1559 michael Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:41:19 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1559 Steve, Thanks, i do appreciate your passion for life. Michael Steve,
Thanks, i do appreciate your passion for life.
Michael

]]> By: prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1558 prolepticlife Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:19:46 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1558 Michael, My name is Steve. Feel free to use it. I apologize for my lack of response. Time has been short this summer. Hopefully I will have more time starting next week. I will try to reply in more detail then. Michael,
My name is Steve. Feel free to use it. I apologize for my lack of response. Time has been short this summer. Hopefully I will have more time starting next week. I will try to reply in more detail then.

]]> By: Robin http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1557 Robin Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:37:03 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1557 Well done Michael! You certainly have put me in my place and I totally agree with you. It is important to find the common ground and to realize that we are all brothers and sisters. I like your spirit and message. Well done Michael! You certainly have put me in my place and I totally agree with you. It is important to find the common ground and to realize that we are all brothers and sisters. I like your spirit and message.

]]> By: michael http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1556 michael Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:59:54 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1556 please allow me your name brother...you appear to be trying too hard to find differences in each of our beliefs, Christ warned us of casting stones...when we are hardly speaking of knowledge, and only debating belief...it seems more brotherly to look for the common ground we share...if you shift your consciousness into trying to find the similarities, before the differences, you will (should) find that our views are very similar...i find it hard to believe anyone can read the 'power of now' and interpret the now/ the present moment to be anything other than monotheism, there IS only one moment shared by us all, the present, there are not two worlds (or three or more), there is only one and we share it under one collective experience called the field of all possibilities, it is the creation of our master God, the One...this is monotheism, underlying this one-ism is the field of all possibilities (pantheism)...they can co-exist...to argue who and what Christ is/was only comes from the field of belief, not knowledge, therefore to argue is to step towards fencing and alienation, and not open the heart to bring all of us brethren together in peace and harmony...Love is the answer...Christ died for our sins and showed complete acceptance/Love for aggression in the field of Now...Eckhart is trying to show the same compassion (regardless of his personal beliefs of who Christ really was)...try to see past our unique beliefs that may appear to have different shades of truth and find the common ground that makes us all brothers and sisters of God...Love Michael please allow me your name brother…you appear to be trying too hard to find differences in each of our beliefs, Christ warned us of casting stones…when we are hardly speaking of knowledge, and only debating belief…it seems more brotherly to look for the common ground we share…if you shift your consciousness into trying to find the similarities, before the differences, you will (should) find that our views are very similar…i find it hard to believe anyone can read the ‘power of now’ and interpret the now/ the present moment to be anything other than monotheism, there IS only one moment shared by us all, the present, there are not two worlds (or three or more), there is only one and we share it under one collective experience called the field of all possibilities, it is the creation of our master God, the One…this is monotheism, underlying this one-ism is the field of all possibilities (pantheism)…they can co-exist…to argue who and what Christ is/was only comes from the field of belief, not knowledge, therefore to argue is to step towards fencing and alienation, and not open the heart to bring all of us brethren together in peace and harmony…Love is the answer…Christ died for our sins and showed complete acceptance/Love for aggression in the field of Now…Eckhart is trying to show the same compassion (regardless of his personal beliefs of who Christ really was)…try to see past our unique beliefs that may appear to have different shades of truth and find the common ground that makes us all brothers and sisters of God…Love Michael

]]> By: Robin http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1555 Robin Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:57:26 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1555 Hello. Well, yes, I do believe in the panentheistic concept of God. Of course I believe that there is only one God, but naturally I cannot conceive of Nature and the material universe as separate from God. For me it is inconceivable to think otherwise. And of course God is not a person. God is not some anthropormorphic being: he is God, the Absolute, a pervading essence. In fact any words to describe God is impossible. And of course I agree totally with Eckhart Tolle. Why? Because his knowledge is based on experience, an experience had by many mystics including Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Krishna, Zoroaster, Francis Bacon (Shakespeare), Balzac, Whalt Whitman, Moses, Dr. Maurice Bucke, Spinoza, Dante, Rumi, Ibn al Arabi, etc. When I read Eckhart Tolle, I know exactly what he means. He is not as many seem to think a New Age phenomenon. This is just a label derogatively applied to Eckhart Tolle in order to diminish his teachings. He is though, very different from many so called gurus running around today because he definately had real illumination. Why I say this? Because first I take his word for it when he mentioned he had an illuminating experience, that he did have the experience. And also, the way he presents himself, his thoughts, his teachings do show the characteristics and result of a true illumined experience. And furthermore, his thoughts and teachings are no different from those authentic mystical orders of the past and today. When I read him, I know exactly what he is talking about. He has had cosmic consciousness. Of course you will not agree with him because your views or personal knowledge is derived from different sources. I do know something about mystical orders and their teachings. I also believe in reincarnation. So, there you go. Yes, I use the term Logos, Holy Spirit, cross, etc. and this does not mean I have to accept those meanings as defined by the Christian church. Words are just labels. Anyway, take care. Hello. Well, yes, I do believe in the panentheistic concept of God. Of course I believe that there is only one God, but naturally I cannot conceive of Nature and the material universe as separate from God. For me it is inconceivable to think otherwise. And of course God is not a person. God is not some anthropormorphic being: he is God, the Absolute, a pervading essence. In fact any words to describe God is impossible.

And of course I agree totally with Eckhart Tolle. Why? Because his knowledge is based on experience, an experience had by many mystics including Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Krishna, Zoroaster, Francis Bacon (Shakespeare), Balzac, Whalt Whitman, Moses, Dr. Maurice Bucke, Spinoza, Dante, Rumi, Ibn al Arabi, etc.

When I read Eckhart Tolle, I know exactly what he means. He is not as many seem to think a New Age phenomenon. This is just a label derogatively applied to Eckhart Tolle in order to diminish his teachings. He is though, very different from many so called gurus running around today because he definately had real illumination. Why I say this? Because first I take his word for it when he mentioned he had an illuminating experience, that he did have the experience. And also, the way he presents himself, his thoughts, his teachings do show the characteristics and result of a true illumined experience. And furthermore, his thoughts and teachings are no different from those authentic mystical orders of the past and today.

When I read him, I know exactly what he is talking about. He has had cosmic consciousness. Of course you will not agree with him because your views or personal knowledge is derived from different sources. I do know something about mystical orders and their teachings. I also believe in reincarnation. So, there you go.

Yes, I use the term Logos, Holy Spirit, cross, etc. and this does not mean I have to accept those meanings as defined by the Christian church. Words are just labels.

Anyway, take care.

]]> By: prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1554 prolepticlife Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:00:14 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1554 Robin, Brief reply for now, more later if you are ok with that. The reason I asked you these questions was because it does seem you have formed these views of Jesus from the New Testament and yet you reject much of what the NT teaches about Jesus. You even use NT terminology - Holy Spirit, Logos, cross, ect. and refute the meaning behind these terms. Thus, my confusion about where you stand. Thank you for clarifying where you are coming from. Clearly, we do have differing views. I would like to say more, but at the moment must limit myself. Just wanted you to know I have read your posts and will continue to listen and respond when I can. Robin,
Brief reply for now, more later if you are ok with that. The reason I asked you these questions was because it does seem you have formed these views of Jesus from the New Testament and yet you reject much of what the NT teaches about Jesus. You even use NT terminology – Holy Spirit, Logos, cross, ect. and refute the meaning behind these terms. Thus, my confusion about where you stand. Thank you for clarifying where you are coming from.
Clearly, we do have differing views.
I would like to say more, but at the moment must limit myself. Just wanted you to know I have read your posts and will continue to listen and respond when I can.

]]> By: prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1553 prolepticlife Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:56:00 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/eckhart-tolle-who-do-you-say-that-i-am-jesus/#comment-1553 Michael, possibly we are simply talking past each other on this one. Tolle's definition of god would be, I believe, distinctly different than the Christian view. His views are closer to pantheism than monotheism. so maybe our definitions of God are so different we are not even talking about the same person - and person isn't a term Tolle would likely use either. Michael,
possibly we are simply talking past each other on this one. Tolle’s definition of god would be, I believe, distinctly different than the Christian view. His views are closer to pantheism than monotheism. so maybe our definitions of God are so different we are not even talking about the same person – and person isn’t a term Tolle would likely use either.

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