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Eckhart Tolle – You Ain’t I Am

March 20, 2008

Several years ago I was working as an installation technician for a national communications company. Occasionally, I would be assigned an out of town job. Often I found myself with my co-worker(s) in unfamiliar territory looking for a place to stay or eat. One such night, just as the sun was setting my partner, Mike, and I had an address for a local diner, but we couldn’t find the right street. I saw several young men hanging around a gas station and pulled in to ask for directions. One young man pointed down the road and told me to turn left on the second street. I thanked him and as we pulled away one of the other guys yelled something. Mike asked, “What did he say?”

These were young guys, hanging out and drinking beer so I replied, “They were just being smart with us,” and preceded down the road.

I was driving about 40 miles an hour when Mike and I had a rude awakening. The road just ended. It was as if someone got tired of building it and just walked away. No warning signs, no flashing lights, no barricades, nothing. We ended up in the middle of an empty field. When I got the truck stopped and the dust settled I said, “Well, now I think I know what that guy was yelling.”

Eckhart Tolle fancies himself a “sign” giving direction. He sees himself as a finger pointing to the moon. He is pointing and he is giving direction, but what if the directions he gives and the way he points leads down a dead end road? Even worse – what if he is pointing people down a destructive path? Wouldn’t it be nice to have someone try to warn those who are headed off down that road? Wouldn’t it be wise to stop and listen?

One of the most dangerous and destructive assertions Tolle makes in A New Earth is:

The truth is inseparable from who you are. Yes, you are the Truth. If you look for it elsewhere, you will be deceived every time. The very Being that you are is Truth. Jesus tried to convey that when he said, “I am the way and the truth and the life.” These words uttered by Jesus are one of the most powerful and direct pointers to the Truth, if understood correctly. If misinterpreted, however, they become a great obstacle. Jesus speaks of the innermost I Am, the essence identity of every man and woman, every life-form, in fact. He speaks of the life that you are. Some Christian mystics have called it the Christ within… (p.71)

Tolle carries this thought throughout the book. He is stating that when Jesus spoke those words as they are found in the Gospel of John, he was speaking about something that was true of every person, “every life-form, in fact.” Tolle says, “the ultimate truth of who you are is not I am this or I am that, but I Am” (p.57)

He goes on to ask, “Can I sense my essential Beingness, the I Am, in the background of my life at all times? To be more accurate, can I sense the I Am that I Am at this moment? Can I sense my essential identity as consciousness itself?” (p. 79)

Again – “The Presence that you are, the timeless, I Am, recognizes itself in another.”

Tolle uses this words repeatedly throughout the book. He capitalizes the words. He telling us that we are god. He is telling us that when Jesus said, “I Am” He was not saying something unique about himself. He is teaching us a pantheistic world-view. God, according to Tolle, is in everything. Frogs, birds, cats, rocks and you are all god and god is nothing more than consciousness and this consciousness has become unconscious and the purpose of life is to be awakened to this consciousness and evolve to a higher level until the whole thing collapses in on itself and starts its next evolutionary cycle.

But is this what Jesus meant?

Once again, Tolle has to tell us that have misunderstood Jesus and the Bible. Apparently the words of Jesus can only be rightly understood and explained by Eckhart Tolle. And it is perfectly fine for him to say that the historic, orthodox, Christian understanding of Jesus and his teachings is a misinterpretation, but heaven forbid that I should say the same thing about his writings…. Well I am going to anyway. And again, I, unlike Tolle, will read and attempt to explain Jesus’ words in their lingustic, historical context. I won’t cherry pick one sentence, make it fit my world-view and religious beliefs, tell everyone that Jesus has been misunderstood and not give one iota of evidence of such a statement.

So what about it? When Jesus said, “I Am the Truth,” was he telling us something about ourselves? Is Tolle right when he says we need to stop looking for truth outside of ourselves?

The quote Tolle uses is from the Gospel of John. Interestingly, this was not the only time Jesus is quoted in John’s gospel as saying “I Am.” Most biblical scholars agree that John is doing more than simply trying to write an historical account of Jesus life or a short biography. Actually, John himself tells us the point of the book – “this is written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name” (20:31).

So the book is written with the objective of helping people come to the understanding that Jesus is the Messiah and then placing their trust in Him. It was written with the intention of pointing people to Jesus Christ. Because John had this specific purpose in mind he organizes the book around stories and sayings from the life of Christ that fit his purpose. That doesn’t mean he made things up, or changed things to fit his purpose. It simply means that he made editorial decisions about what to leave in and what to leave out.

One of the organizing thoughts John used in his gospel was this idea of Jesus as the “I Am.” The quote that Tolle used is not the only I Am statement of Jesus in John’s gospel. “I Am” is a uniquely Johannine feature. Ego eimi shows up numerous times:

  • Jesus said, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” (6:35)
  • Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” (8:12)
  • Then Jesus said to them again, “most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before me are theives and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved..” (10:7-9)
  • “I am the good shepherd…” (10:14)
  • “I am the true vine…” (15:1)

I left out 14:6, which is what Tolle quotes. What did Jesus mean by his use of “I Am?” Jesus helps us answer this question by the way he used these two small words as recored in John 8. There we find Jesus in a heated discussion with a group of Jewish religious leaders. The discussion centered around the identity of Jesus. The catalyst for this debate was Jesus’ statement, quoted above, that He is the light of the world. The discussion went down a path in which these Jewish men defended their position by stating they were Abraham’s descendants and therefore were not in need of the freedom that Jesus offered them. In the midst of this discussion Jesus makes the incredible claim that he and Abraham knew each other. The Jews responded with disdain for the idea that Jesus, being less than 50 years old could have known Abraham.

Well, that is when Jesus speaks the most astounding words a human could speak. Words, which if untrue, condemn him as a blasphemer, or at best a crazy man. These were some of the most shocking words that could have been spoken by Jesus. This short sentence was so horrifying to those who heard them, they immediately preceded to try and have him stoned to death.

What did Jesus say that provoked such horror, shock and revulsion? He said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was I AM.”

This statement not only helps us understand the importance of the other “I Am” statements of Jesus, they help us see Jesus own understanding of himself.

So what was it about those two tiny words that provoked such an angry reaction? Those two words were the words which were given to Moses as being the name of God. In the Hebrew the words are akin to the name Jehovah, or Yahweh. When Moses was told by God to return to Egypt and be an instrument of deliverance, Moses asked God what he should say when he was asked who sent him. The Lord’s answer was tell them “I Am” sent you. God said “I Am that I Am.”

This name, unlike some of the other names of God found in the Old Testament, sets God apart as the one and only self-existent Being. He is that which men, nor angels, nor any other created being could be – the self-existent and self-dependent God. This was the name of God any Jew feared to utter or even write.

Yet these were the words that fell from the lips of Jesus. “Before Abraham was, I Am.” Notice what Jesus did not say. He did not say, “before Abraham was, I was.” That would be a better grammatical construction, but it would hide what Jesus was saying about himself. Abraham, a mere mortal man, “was.” He had a beginning and and ending. But Christ says of himself “I Am.” He himself is the eternal, self-existent, self-dependent Yahweh, Jehovah God who spoke to Moses at the burning bush. The Son of God did not begin his existence in the manger of Bethlehem. He has always been. He is eternal God.

Now, we see why these Jewish religious leaders became so angry.

What I find interesting in Tolle’s book is that he points us always back to ourselves. The truth is in us. We need to find the I Am inside. Quit looking for truth outside of yourself. Yet, the New Testament, the gospels and Jesus do something startlingly different. They point us outside of ourselves to Jesus Christ. Go back and read the I Am statements of Jesus again. Where in there can anyone possibly conceive of the idea that Jesus was in any way suggesting that we seek the “I Am” within?

I wish I could say that Tolle was just ignorant and didn’t realize the deep theological waters he was wading into. But as I read through the book I notice that over and over again Tolle capitalizes “I Am.” Why? Surely it is because he understands the biblical significance of those two words. He understands that those two words are the name of God. To dissolve any doubt about it, Tolle even uses the exact phrase the Lord used when speaking to Moses – “I Am that I Am” (p. 79).

When Jesus applied this name to himself the Jews said he blasphemed God. They were right – if it wasn’t true. If Jesus Christ is not God, then he is a blasphemer. The same thing is true of Eckhart Tolle. It is blasphemy to take the name of the self-existent, self-dependent, eternal God and apply it to yourself. But this is exactly what Tolle does. In doing so he tells us clearly what he believes about the nature of God, human nature, who Jesus Christ is, and how salvation should be defined. None of the things he believes on these subjects is what Jesus believed or taught. Jesus calls us to believe in Him – not in ourselves. He says he himself is the truth – not that we are the truth. Eckhart points you to yourself for salvation. God calls us to look away from ourselves and unto Jesus Christ, the risen Lord.

51 comments

  1. prolepticlife,

    What you have written is very well stated and I can understand your point of view and you could be right. The only problem I have is I don’t think Tolle is a “false teacher” (of course, this is just my feeling). But, he hasn’t stated that “his way” is set in stone. His book in my opinion is of “his” beliefs about how he interprets this life and who is to say anyone is “right” or “wrong” about their “interpretation”. God made us all “different” and he (Tolle) may just be way to deep for us to comprehend, maybe he can’t even comprehend himself sometimes, I feel that way at times. Sorry, I don’t mean to be so “annoying”, ha. :) ) I think he is a VERY intelligent being and has a lot to offer in the way of spirituality or getting in touch with your deeper self. I know this by experience. Do you think it is possible that he put things in his book the way he did to reach more people?? Sometimes if I speak to someone I know is of a different religion, etc. I will try to reach them indirectly if you know what I mean. I am not saying that Tolle is doing this BUT he has mentioned reading the Bible several times in the online class. He is just a man, not perfect. Maybe this is his way of reaching a MASS of people. Do you think this is possible? It just seems to “special” to not be of something “GOOD” and I guess that is your point as well.

    I gather your opinion of Oprah is not so great. I have watched Oprah since I was around 15 and I am now 37. I had what you might call a horrid childhood and really had no female figure to look up to. I don’t know why I tuned into Oprah at 15 or 16 but I did and listening to her and her guests changed my world growing up. It might sound silly or corny but she became my role model because I did not have one and noone tried to be one or lead me to one and I was to messed up to look for one. I know that she is not perfect (noone is) but to think that she would be the one to unleash the antichrist is just a little to farfetched for me. Oprah is where she is by the Grace of God and she knows that, she has mentioned Jesus and surrendering to the will of God. She hasn’t denounced Jesus and if she did that would be the end of “me and Oprah”, ha. I know this is your point, Oprah has GREAT influence over this world and I pray that you are wrong. I know that regardless what happens God will use this for the greater good and this world will be a better place for it. But, I appreciate your point of view and warning, there have been many on the message boards for “A New Earth” and some have been more gentle than others. I think a lot of people are getting your message but from what I know so far a huge amount of the people reading this book are Christian and are reconciling it into their life as I have done and not looking for a “new Christ”. I am NOT and never will be a Tolle follower, I am a Christ follower and so is Oprah. For me and so many others this was a tool. Don’t think so bad of Oprah, I REALLY think she means well. “If” you are right she has been fooled as well.

    I have thoroughlly enjoyed debating this subject with you and look forward to more!! Have a wonderful life! :) ))


  2. Transcript Clip 1: God Is Jealous of Me

    “a portion of Oprah’s comments”

    And you know, it’s been a journey to get to the place where I understand, as I said on the pre-show here, that what I believe is that Jesus came to show us Christ consciousness. That Jesus came to show us the way of the heart and that what Jesus was saying that to show us the higher consciousness that we’re all talking about here. Jesus came to say, “Look I’m going to live in the body, in the human body and I’m going to show you how it’s done.” These are some principles and some laws that you can use to live by to know that way. And when I started to recognize that, that Jesus didn’t come in my belief, even as a Christian, I don’t believe that Jesus came to start Christianity.


  3. and yet another….

    KELLY (ILLINOIS): Just thoughts on the afterlife, things like that. You know, you – in a lot of books such as Tolle’s, we get teachings from Buddhism or Hinduism, and those thoughts don’t go along with, you know, what I was raised to believe as a Christian. So that’s been the biggest thing that I’ve struggled with, I think, so…

    OPRAH WINFREY: Well, I am a Christian who believes that there are certainly many more paths to God other than Christianity.


  4. Someone,
    I agree that Tolle is an intelligent person and I have stated that also in other places on this blog. That is why I don’t believe his misstatements about Jesus’ words are merely accidental. I think you are dead on right when you say that maybe he is just trying to open his teaching to a wider audience. It, in a sense, is using Jesus and the Bible as a marketing ploy. My problem is he does it in such a way that if a Christian were to casually read the book they very well could be led astray from Christ. Is it important to point out the error of Tolle’s teaching? Let me quote what Paul wrote the the churches in the region of Galatia:

    “I marvel that you are turning away so soon from him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preched to you, loet him be accursed.” (1:6-8)

    I don’t have a personal problem with Oprah. She seems to be a nice person. If she were not promoting this sort of spirituality I wouldn’t have ever brought her name into the conversation. My issue with Oprah is that her wide and powerful influence is being used to spread teaching that is leading people away from Christ.

    Can God over ride all that is wrong in Tolle’s book and can someone (little play on words there) be helped in their spiritual life? God is God. Nothing is impossible with God. But it wouldn’t be wise of me to think, “since God can turn it for good then I shouldn’t say anything about the bad.” That would be akin to saying, “God can use cancer in a person’s life to draw them closer to him, so therefore we shouldn’t take chemo or do research for a cure.”


  5. Thanks for the quotes Bruce. This is the kind of thing I have heard Oprah say about her faith.


  6. As a recovering fundamentalist Christian, I totally agree that the words of Jesus have been misinterpreted by the traditional church in America. The fact that millions of people are leaving the church and millions more are buying Tolle’s book shows that you can’t destroy Truth, as God puts it in our hearts. Sooner or later people ask themselves if Jesus really is for going to War in IRaq. If Jesus really is anti Gay (since Jesus never says anything about this in the Bible), If Jesus really does say that if you don’t believe like him, he will toast you in hell for eternity, and on and on.

    I am so thankful that the world is waking up to how the Gospel- Good News of Jesus has been hijacked by the luncatic mentally Ill fringe of John Hagee, Benny Hinn, James Dobson, and others who would be the first to kill Jesus again if he came back. One last thing. Isn’t it odd that the church gets its “truth” from the Catholic Bible, yet, if you ask most born again Christians they will tell you the the catholics aren’t really saved. Thnink about that one. Peace out. Fundys.com


  7. Loved the scripture reference! (Galations 1:6-8) Good job. Just a comment on Oprah ushering in the anti-christ, I don’t think she’d really be aware she was ushering him in. Come to think of it, who would willingly do that? And do we really think that the anti-christ is going to show up with horns and a tail? I’m thinking whoever it is, deception is going to be wide spread by a somewhat intelligent, nice, peaceful, maybe even decent looking guy.


  8. “Can I sense my essential Beingness, the I Am, in the background of my life at all times? To be more accurate, can I sense the I Am that I Am at this moment? Can I sense my essential identity as consciousness itself?” Huh? Sounds like a New-Agey hodgepodge of Heidegger, Hegel and who knows what else.

    BTW, God is not IN everything, since that would bind Him with the limited, contingent universe. Everything is a sign of God, but is not God Himself. A sign represents or points to something or someone else, but is not that thing or person.
    http://outofmymindblog.wordpress.com


  9. don, you really need to read the Bible. I mean really study it. Tolle is making Christ trivial.
    The Bible is the best “New Age” teaching ever given to man. Yes, if you turn from Christ you will most certainly be as you say toast.


  10. Peace be with the reader.
    Regarding Tolle, I suggest that the reader reads my message entitled: “Consciousness Gurus”, it can be found at the Believers Information Network web site.

    My response to this posting relates to proleptic life’s statement: “The Son of God did not begin his existence in the manger of Bethlehem. He has always been. He is eternal God.”
    This is not true.
    Here is the corrected statement from the Greek translation of John 1:1
    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”
    The Son of man is not the Father(God), he is the first and only begotten son of the Father, the first fruit. The Father is greater than the Son.(See my message entitled:”The ‘trinity’ “)

    The Faithful Witness
    Duke(Yeshua)


  11. Duke,
    I beg to differ with your use of the JW translation of the Bible. The Greek structure of the clause you are referring to is, “theos en ho logos” a word for word translation would be “god was the Word.” Theos is placed first in the sentence in Greek to give it emphasis. There is a definite article before “logos” but not before “theos.” Had the definite article been before both it would have stated “The God was the Word” making the Word completely identical with God, which is impossible since the Word was also with God. What is meant is that the word shared the nature and being of God. His point is the word is deity. Though the Word is not the same as the God the Father personally, they are the same in quality or essence. Both are deity. This is the best grammatical way for the writer to express this thought.

    I would point out if you are hinging your whole thesis on the fact that the writer did not use the definite article before the word theos to say that he meant a god, then you will have to be consistent in your Greek and say that they same thing is true in verses 6, 12, 13, and 18 where the definite article is lacking as well. In other words, you are misapplying the rules of the Greek construction.

    It would also be helpful to point out that just a mere parsing of a sentence is a poor way to develop your theology on this point. The fact that Jesus declared himself to be the I Am, he received the worship of God, is declared to be the Creator, and the Old Testament uses of plural names for God as well as other statements in the New Testament to the divinity of Jesus need to be taken into account.

    Yes the Scriptures call Jesus the “only begotten” but here again you need to fully consider the limitations of human language to describe the relations within the Godhead. “Monogenes” should not cause us to merely think of the birth process. For example, it is a word that was used of Isaac who was not Abraham’s only child. It is a word which means unique. In the case of Christ it is his unique relationship to the Father that is in view. It is helping us make the distinction between what it means for him to be The Son of God in contrast with the term sons of God in reference to believers.

    Grace to you my friend,
    Proleptic life


  12. Peace be with the reader.

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, a god was the Word.”

    My mistake.
    The Faithful Witness,
    Duke(Yeshua)


  13. Duke,
    You are still missing the point. Please reread the above comment on the subject.


  14. Peace be with you proleptic life, as well as those reading this message.

    I speak to you plainly, yet you do not believe what I say. I am here in the name of my Father, who sent me. The harvest is ripe. Those who reject me, reject my Father who sent me, they are condemned.

    I am not the Father, I am His only begotten Son,
    the mediator for salvation, as well as judgment.
    Now is the time of judgment.

    In my postings I make it clear that I am the Faithful Witness, my new name is Duke(see Revelation 19). The first time my name was Yeshua(Jesus). Whether anybody believes me or not, will depend on the individual, it can make no difference to my identity. Unless the conviction as to who I am, comes to you from within, do not believe it.

    Let your hearts be filled with joy, for the time has come.

    The Written Word, and the spoken Word(two witnesses),
    The Faithful Witness,
    Duke(Yeshua)


  15. Sorry I can’t find Duke in revelation 19


  16. ” His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no
    man knew, but he himself.” Revelation 19:12

    The Faithful Witness,
    Duke(Yeshua)


  17. Peace be with the reader.
    There is an objective test that can be used to resolve this matter. Go to youtube and search for”The Inconvenient Reality”. If what I say is true, then the theory about irrational numbers that is presently taught is false. This will mean that the whole foundation on which the modern ‘mathematics’ is based, collapses.

    The Faithful Witness,
    Duke


  18. But we digress…correct me if I am wrong but at this point in time the focus of this discussion had to do with the teachings of Eckhart Tolle, not the particular spin that the alleged “Faithful Witness” has expounded upon. Perhaps Duke could exercise some restraint and use his own web resources to further his message. Just a thought….

    Your patience Prolepticlife is exemplary.


  19. ……however, if Christ is in me, and I am in Christ, if “Christ in me” is really the hope of glory, then I don’t need to look outside myself for Him. He is as near as my heart. He is what I find when I look inside myself.


  20. Indeed proleptic, kudos to your patience, and I agree with Bruce about Duke’s resources. Looking forward to your next post.


  21. Peace be with the moderator, as well as those reading this message. Should any person be ashamed of me before men, then surely, I will be ashamed of that person before my Father who sent me.

    The Faithful Witness
    Duke(Yeshua)


  22. Maggie,
    It is important to note that when Paul wrote those words he wasn’t writing to humanity in general. He was writing to the people who had trusted in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. Even then he never encouraged believers in Christ to look inside themselves for the answers. He pointed us outside – to Christ in the heavens.

    Two Pauline phrases, “in Christ” and “Christ in you,” help us to see two aspects of the life of a follower of Jesus Christ. “In Christ” helps us understand our security and acceptance before God – The Father “sees” us as he does Christ, Christ is the “Ark” in which we are safe from judgment. Christ in us, is the power for living the life God has called us to. In the passage you quote, “the hope of glory” is the confidence that our lives can bring glory to God. That confidence comes from knowing that the Spirit of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, indwells the spirit of the believer in Christ.


  23. Duke,
    Just thought you might want to know, this blog receives relatively minimal traffic. You might want to seek a venue that would give you a wider audience.


  24. If Jesus existed, I think he would have been very much like Eckharte Tolle. This man is just telling us what he himself has experienced, channelled, learnt, meditated upon etc. since he was 29.

    He has been able to bypass all dogma, all religion, all egoism, to arrive at the essence, the void, All-That-Is. What Tolle is trying to say is that you have to look beyond him – Tolle is not the issue here, Jesus is not the issue here, Buddha, Krishna, etc etc. are not the issue, they are the signposts. And they all point to a thing that is beyond religious dogma, and also is beyond language, that is why debates like this will rage and rage, because human language can never define what this ‘essence’ is. The sooner we understand that the better.


  25. Just to add….whatever faith you follow, whatever you believe in, do you sometimes forget all that and sometimes catch yourself accessing the ‘power of now’, when your mind stops endlessly thinking about trivial stuff?

    What am I doing here sitting at this computer debating this very fact, when I should be out there playing with my children in the garden, surrounded by trees and grass, with the sun on our faces; children understand the ‘joy and totality’ of the now, with the least effort.

    Why do you think that other people cannot access this moment by moment joy of the now just because they don’t follow Christ, but listen to someone like Tolle instead?

    Do you think your sister is less capable of entering the now and becoming one with life/god/pure consciousness by reading Eckharte’s book, and possibly going on to practise some small everyday meditation, than through reading the Bible?

    I am just interested in why you think that she is now not capable of finding ‘enlightenment’ when even a child knows how to do it just by looking at a flower?

    Of course christians can experience pure bliss, and I am sure many have sat on a bench for five months wrapped in a moment by moment ecstasy, like Eckharte did, but so can anyone – we are all human and were all children once, its just that as we learnt to be adults, our minds took over our sensual bodies, and became involved in deep thoughts about trivial stuff.

    I am off into the garden now.


  26. Peace be with you proleptic life.
    Why not just say it, you are ashamed of me.
    Go your way in peace.

    The Faithful Witness
    Jesus Christ(Duke)


  27. Duke,
    don’t know you, ashamed would not be an appropriate word to use.


  28. here is not a grain of evil in Eckhart Tolle!
    He does not seek power or fame or anything. I saw him 3 times and can say for sure that he is helping a LOT of people.
    Religion beomes an ideology, a map about spirituality (the landscape) which can prevent one from experiencing WALKING in the spiritual LANDSCAPE. And that is an ESCAPE… Wake up” Be open and inquire and suspend the paranoia for a moment…


  29. Dan,
    To say “There is not a grain of evil in Eckhart Tolle” is quite a statement. It is the kind of statement I would use for Jesus Christ. I would never say it of myself, my wife, my sons, my daughters-in-law, my grand daughter, my friends, my parents, my neighbors or anyone else I can think of. Maybe you were merely exaggerating.

    I can’t imagine seeing someone three times is all that is necessary to make such a bold statement.

    You probably haven’t noticed, but Tolle is promoting a religion. He may not like to call it that and he denies he is teaching a religious system. But all you have to do is read “A New Earth” to find that he has a view of god, man, salvation, heaven, hell, and a host of other religious concepts. Just saying it isn’t religion doesn’t make it so.

    I appreciate you commenting though.


  30. In my language if you add an S to Tolle you get the word Stolle, that is the word a crazy person.
    This Tolle is not only crazy he is an enemy of God by his own words. And there’s people in here claiming to be Christians promoting this enemy of God? Woe is you! Interesting also that it’s mainly women that fall for this type of garbage, reminds me of:
    2Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,


  31. I find your assertions very interesting, how is it that Eckhart is trying to take people away from Jesus and why? All I see is someone teaching us to live in peace which for me is a valuable lesson. In the light of so much violence in the world, when we are killing more people than we have ever killed before. When road rage is becoming an OK thing to do. When frogs are dying off and bees are dying off. We need to be doing something different than what we have been doing in Jesus’s name. That I see Eckhart teaching us to live in peace I see him doing Jesus’s work.


  32. Elli,
    Tolle is leading people away from Christ by teaching them to look within for salvation (for now let me leave alone the fact that Tolle’s idea of salvation is distinctly different than Christ’s). Christ taught over and over again that He Himself is the means of salvation. Jesus was not just a nice teacher, He is the Prince of Peace and the Lord, and the only Savior. Far different than Tolle’s imaging of him.


  33. The gospels were written 300 years after the death of Jesus. What I can see is that these gospels have not led us down a path that is to our salvation only as we seem to be destroying ourselves. Tolle is pointing a way for us not to destroy ourselves, for me all he is saying is Jesus is inside of us and showing us how to reach him and live in peace.


  34. Elli…. a little food for thought.

    A primary attack against divine Bible origin is that the books of the New Testament were agreed upon (canonized) by men hundreds of years after the books were written. Actually, the fathers of the early Christian church reveal that most of the New Testament books were accepted as scripture almost immediately. For instance, in 2 Peter 3:16, the writer takes for granted that Paul’s letters were already considered inspired scripture on the same level as the Old Testament. In 1Timothy 5:18, Paul joins an Old Testament reference and a New Testament reference and calls them both Scripture. The need for official canonization of the New Testament scriptures only came about because of certain heresies that were being spread throughout the church starting in the mid to late second century. For instance, Marcion created his own religion by only teaching from ten of Paul’s letters and certain portions of Luke. In addition, the Gnostics, especially in Alexandria, were introducing new “secrets” to the standard Christian doctrine, including new gospel accounts altogether.

    For the church leaders in the mid second century, the four Gospels were baseline authority in their teachings. In about 170 AD, Irenaeus cited 23 of the 27 New Testament books, omitting only Philemon, James, 2 Peter and 3 John. The Muratorian fragment, written about the same time, attests to the widespread use of all the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, 1 Peter and 2 Peter. However, other church fathers had already cited those omitted books in various writings defending against Gnostic doctrines. The Codex Barococcio from 206 AD includes 64 of the 66 books of today’s Bible. Esther and Revelation were omitted, but they had already been declared as inspired scripture by Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement, Tertullian and the Muratorian Canon. In 230 AD, Origen declared that all Christians acknowledged as scripture the four Gospels, Acts, the epistles of Paul, 1 Peter, 1 John and Revelation.

    By the early 300’s, all of the New Testament books were being used in the mainstream church body. In 367 AD, Athanasius formally circulated the Easter Letter that listed all 27 books as canonical. The Synod of Hippo (393 AD) and the third Synod of Carthage (397 AD) also recognized these 27 books as canonical. In addition, during this time, the highly influential church fathers, Jerome (340-420 AD) and Augustine (354-430 AD) published their lists of 27 books completing the New Testament.

    It’s important to remember that the canon of the New Testament was not the result of any pronouncement by any official of the church or any organizational body. Rather, the canon was determined by the authoritative use of these books right from the start by the rapidly expanding church of the first and second centuries. The New Testament canon was merely a process of formal recognition of already recognized scripture, to defend against the various forms of Gnosticism and heresy that were starting to creep throughout the ever-expanding church.

    Another point you might want to consider Elli is that everyone has a choice as to whether they will accept what they see to be true and then act on that truth. The process is not difficult but the decision to follow the conclusion of the process can be difficult because often it means changing the direction on the path that we have been walking on. Recorded history teaches us that we (humanity as a whole) do not learn from the lessons that history teaches us because the very nature of man has remained constant to this very day. I cannot answer for all of humanity, I can only examine the evidence and come to a conclusion with respect to my own heart and then make a decision. Many years ago I did examine the evidence, considered the world as I then understood it and took into account the words recorded in the Bible, in concert with the witness I could see from Christians that I had come to know. Then one night I got down on my knees and accepted the unwarranted grace extended to me by God the Father and asked our Lord Jesus to do to me what He said He would do, live in me through His Spirit, forgive me, love me, and open my eyes and heart to His reality and His truth. I adhere to doctrine but doctrine is not the reason I have come to love His presence, His presence in me and in countless others who have opened their hearts to Him. It is my relationship with Him and His relationship with me that continues to draw me to Him to this very day. I have learned that just because we want something does not in itself make it an instant reality. Would I love world peace, who in their right mind would not but until humanity in total overcomes the characteristics of human nature (i.e. greed, mistrust, lust etc) that history has so often displayed, even to this day, that will not happen.

    Remember Jesus said in Matthew 24:6, 13-14, “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations: and then shall the end come.”

    This is the reality that Jesus spoke of and the reality that I see today. I think Elli that the intent of your heart is good in the sense that you want to see humanity move towards different realizations than we have in the past but the method whereby you have chosen to accomplish your intent lacks recognition of one very basic truth. Until the heart of man (collectively or individually) comes to the realization that our own attempts, as varied as they be (and Eckhart Tolle’s teachings are just one of many), are destined to fail because in essence, what we have is the blind leading the blind. Consider the following:

    In the Book of Isaiah, we find these words in chapter 55, verses 8 and 9, spoken through Isaiah, the prophet:
    “My thoughts are completely different from yours,” says the Lord. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.”

    When Jesus died on the cross, the curtain that separated the temple area from the Holy of Holies was rent from the top to the bottom. The Holy of Holies represented, among other things, our ability to have direct communion with God. Jesus’ death and resurrection was and is God the Father’s method of restoring that communion. Notice the direction of the tear. If it was possible and acceptable and fair for all, regardless of circumstances, it would not have been necessary for Jesus to die and the curtain that separated the temple area from the Holy of Holies would or could have been removed by us by tearing it from the bottom to the top. This revelation is God’s chosen way, Jesus is the way and I for one have examined, acknowledged and taken action to accept His offer. My wish, my hope is that all of humanity would do likewise, but there are many who would rather attempt it by methods conceived in their own minds.

    Trust is a strange thing. When it all comes down to it, somewhere along the line we make a choice with trusting something or someone. When I sit in a chair I trust that it will support my weight. How do I know that, well I have examined the chair, it appears to be able to support my weight and when I have tested it and sat in it, it does support my weight. Therefore, I trust the chair to support my weight.

    Likewise I have placed my trust in God’s Revelation about my nature, God’s remedy and God’s end plan. Do I understand it all thoroughly, nope, not even close, but, and this is the important part, what I have examined, what I have tested and what I have learned along the way gives me great confidence that He in whom I have placed my trust in, will honor His word.

    When Jesus was teaching the disciples, little children came along and ran up to Jesus. The disciples went to send them away but Jesus stopped them and used this situation to teach them an important lesson.

    Matt. 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

    Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

    A little child’s trust is a beautiful thing to see (ask any parent or grandparent), but the reality of a child’s trust is relatively straight forward, they either do or they don’t. For a child, trust is not a complicated issue that must be considered every time they are given an opportunity to exercise it. Once again, they either do or they don’t. I am not saying it is wrong to examine, because it is not, but in the end, after examination, after consideration, there comes a moment of truth, do we act on it or do we not.

    My prayer Elli, is that you too would have your moment of truth and accept God’s method that might appear to some as foolishness. Consider this final quote…

    As Paul penned it to the Corinthians:
    “ The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: ‘I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.’ “Where is the wise” Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe.”

    God bless you Elli.


  35. In regards to the train of thought Maggie was on…what about the holy spirit living in us (father, son, holy spirit are all one, right). And what about the force I feel within my being that I believe is god, who is in everything? A force that is god, that is so far beyond what my mind can comprehend…yet I feel it and know it is god. I have felt god in the way Eckhart tries to explain all of my life.


  36. Thank your Bruce for your very thoughtful comment, it will take me some time to digest your comment.
    Until then.


  37. shawna don’t go by emotion go by the Word of God.
    Satan can give you all sorts of emotions and experiences.


  38. Good Morning.

    I submit the following Holy scriptures and excerpts from the commentary penned by our own Prolepticlife in his article “You Ain’t I Am” as the apex or corner stone for all other discussion under the Eckhart Tolle topic. Short story – you can’t have it both ways.

    There cannot be any area of agreement here between what the scriptures indicate and what Eckhart Tolle indicates, these two premises are in total disagreement or opposition with one another, and I would conclude that Eckhart Tolle is acutely aware of this.

    In A New Earth,Eckhart Tolle states, “The truth is inseparable from who you are. Yes, you are the Truth. If you look for it elsewhere, you will be deceived every time. The very Being that you are is Truth. Jesus tried to convey that when he said, “I am the way and the truth and the life.” These words uttered by Jesus are one of the most powerful and direct pointers to the Truth, if understood correctly. If misinterpreted, however, they become a great obstacle. Jesus speaks of the innermost I Am, the essence identity of every man and woman, every life-form, in fact. He speaks of the life that you are.” (p.71)

    One interpretation points towards God, the “I Am that I Am” as the source of our salvation and the other interpretation points towards man and his awareness that he is part of the I Am and therefore his own I Am, i.e. his own salvation.

    Consider the following:

    Isaiah 14:12-14 “12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

    —————————————————————————–

    Exodus 3:13-15 “13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

    14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

    15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.”

    —————————————————————————

    A New Earth: “Can I sense my essential Beingness, the I Am, in the background of my life at all times? To be more accurate, can I sense the I Am that I Am at this moment? Can I sense my essential identity as consciousness itself?” (p. 79)

    Proleptic Life – Eckhart Tolle – You Ain’t I Am March 20, 2008

    ” …we find Jesus in a heated discussion with a group of Jewish religious leaders. The discussion centered around the identity of Jesus. The catalyst for this debate was Jesus’ statement, quoted above, that He is the light of the world. The discussion went down a path in which these Jewish men defended their position by stating they were Abraham’s descendants and therefore were not in need of the freedom that Jesus offered them. In the midst of this discussion Jesus makes the incredible claim that he and Abraham knew each other. The Jews responded with disdain for the idea that Jesus, being less than 50 years old could have known Abraham.

    Well, that is when Jesus speaks the most astounding words a human could speak. Words, which if untrue, condemn him as a blasphemer, or at best a crazy man. These were some of the most shocking words that could have been spoken by Jesus. This short sentence was so horrifying to those who heard them, they immediately preceded to try and have him stoned to death.

    What did Jesus say that provoked such horror, shock and revulsion? He said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was I AM.”

    This statement not only helps us understand the importance of the other “I Am” statements of Jesus, they help us see Jesus own understanding of himself.

    So what was it about those two tiny words that provoked such an angry reaction? Those two words were the words which were given to Moses as being the name of God. In the Hebrew the words are akin to the name Jehovah, or Yahweh. When Moses was told by God to return to Egypt and be an instrument of deliverance, Moses asked God what he should say when he was asked who sent him. The Lord’s answer was tell them “I Am” sent you. God said “I Am that I Am.”

    This name, unlike some of the other names of God found in the Old Testament, sets God apart as the one and only self-existent Being. He is that which men, nor angels, nor any other created being could be – the self-existent and self-dependent God. This was the name of God any Jew feared to utter or even write.

    Yet these were the words that fell from the lips of Jesus. “Before Abraham was, I Am.” Notice what Jesus did not say. He did not say, “before Abraham was, I was.” That would be a better grammatical construction, but it would hide what Jesus was saying about himself. Abraham, a mere mortal man, “was.” He had a beginning and and ending. But Christ says of himself “I Am.” He himself is the eternal, self-existent, self-dependent Yahweh, Jehovah God who spoke to Moses at the burning bush. The Son of God did not begin his existence in the manger of Bethlehem. He has always been. He is eternal God.”

    “…When Jesus applied this name to himself the Jews said he blasphemed God. They were right – if it wasn’t true. If Jesus Christ is not God, then he is a blasphemer. The same thing is true of Eckhart Tolle. It is blasphemy to take the name of the self-existent, self-dependent, eternal God and apply it to yourself. But this is exactly what Tolle does. In doing so he tells us clearly what he believes about the nature of God, human nature, who Jesus Christ is, and how salvation should be defined. None of the things he believes on these subjects is what Jesus believed or taught. Jesus calls us to believe in Him – not in ourselves. He says he himself is the truth – not that we are the truth. Eckhart points you to yourself for salvation. God calls us to look away from ourselves and unto Jesus Christ, the risen Lord.”

    One cannot adhere to both premises at the same time, they are like two magnets of the same polarity, for they both claim acceptance to the exclusion of the other.

    All discussion hereafter falls under this decision, in opposing camps. If you ignore or dismiss this cornerstone, I would put forth that you fail to comprehend the significance of what is being put forward for acceptance by Eckhart Tolle.


  39. Just a quick note…. I should probably clarify the last short paragraph in the above comment. When I said “all discussion hereafter” I did not mean in this current discussion on Prolepticlife’s Blog, obviously everyone is free to say what they want here, what I meant was that from my perspective, the question of which “I Am” one follows is pivotal to where all following discussion goes. My apology if I offended anyone, that was not my intent.


  40. For further information on Eckhart Tolle’s teachings , go to “Kjos Ministries” or nobigsecret.org. For updates on Marianne Williamson go to equip.org and type in her name in their search area. You will also be able to type in the words “new age” at equip.org and get several articles explaining what the issue is with this belief system. Loved you information, keep expanding and comparing , I have used several books , for my discussions and highly reccomend them : “Who Are You to Judge” , by E.W. Lutzer, “True For You , But Not For Me” by Paul Cobin. “Correcting the Cults”, by Norman Geisler and Ron Rhodes, and “Christianity in Crisis”, by Hank Hanagraaff. Also “Kingdom of the Cults” by Dr. Walter Martin. I thank each one of these authors for their places on my bookshelf. It is because of them, I can begin to speak to others , about my belief in the one true God , and the Words He left us.


  41. Memamma,
    Thanks for the other references.

    I’m guessing you have grandchildren.


  42. I have read afew comments. I feel maybe the point has been missed. Wake up to who you are. Yes your are a child of The Livng God. He is inside you. We are one with Him. Thar is what Yeshua said. By the WAY, HIS IS YESHUA not Jesus ( this name was change by the same empire that is set up in Roman today Think about it?


  43. The book “The New Earth” , is a a hand of cards played from a “3″ card deck. Eckhart
    Tolle teaches this hidden “new age’ religion, and has people being deceived by it. This “3″ card deck is a false religion and its explanation is guranteed to keep its followers deceived and able to dismiss God, and his word , and that “3 card deck” are the basis of the book, and no matter what, can’t be trumped. It is the deck played by all “new age” religions. (1) The “Higher” level card..this is the (sorry its over your head) but you are not smart enough to realize, “I” am smarter than you, because you’re on a lower level(less divine) than “MY” book and me and “MY” followers. (2) The projection Card…(I know you are , but what am I) this is what Eckhart Tolle does in his classes, tells any “christians” that if they say anything critical, then they are really criticizing themselves, because any problems anyone sees in Eckhart Tolle and his book, is just a “projection” problem, not an actual critical thinking problem. (3) The Skillfull means Problem…(its all your own fault, “you christians” card)…The “MOST” potent card of all..(my book):its not ridiculous, or wrong, or error, or evil….its like “Zen” stuff..I can call “you” any condescending name, or mock God’s word and his claims, its because you need to “evolve” and “I’m” here to help you see that…(these are actual conversations the people on-line have, to “help christians”. These cards are played out in every Monday Night Class, that Oprah and Eckahrt offer,and are not designed in any way to prompt discussions or dialoge. What can you possibly say to any of these cards? NOTHING! and that is exactley the point that :”new age” religions and their adherants miss, the book is designed to end all discussions, and when any attempt is made to compare E.T.’s teachings to what God and Jesus Christ and the words left to us in the Bible say, they run back to Eckhart Tolle’s 3 card deck. It is a situation , where actual good philosophical, and Biblical comparisons and critical thinking are ended by the “playing the 3 cards’. This in contrast to God , and the cross. The message of the cross : Evil was dealt with, Forgivness was offered, The Holy Spirit comes to live within me, to counter evil, then as Christians, we live for that good, and stop the force of evil around us.Unless there is one true God, and a “Christians” life, there is no hope, and nothing will satisfy a person , unless they have the hope that lives within them, through Jesus Christ and his salvation. Offered to all who will accept His free gift. And has offered us all an book proved by the very prophecies over hundreds of years , all fulfilled, to prove it is true. And more proof, by the changed lives of his followers, not a false religion of “I AM DIVINE” but a relationship, of , “He” is divine and I am accepting His love, and the life He offers me by believing in Him. No cards, just His words showing the way, to His love.


  44. Prophetic,

    Take a second when you’re reading over some of these responses that are arguing against what you’ve said in your blog or whatever. What does it feel like when you disagree with someone? Do you feel your heart rate speed up, does the person seem more like an enemy to you than they would if they were agreeing with you? Now think about what you are hoping to get out of writing this. Are you hoping that Jesus’s teachings will be interpreted correctly? What does that do for you? Does the thought of more people understanding Jesus the way you understood him give you a sense of security? What if Jesus didn’t mean what you thought, would that make you feel unsecure? The underlying message behind my probing questions is this: What’s the point? Will people be better if they understand what you understand? Will God love you more? Why not let it go and accept that others enjoy things that you may not. Doesn’t that free you from having to spend time thinking, ruminating perhaps, over issues like this?


  45. Chris,
    Thanks for the psychoanalysis. It really doesn’t matter how I feel, my security or insecurity. What is the point? The point is Eckhart Tolle repeatedly states that orthodox Christianity has gotten Jesus wrong, misunderstood him, misinterpreted him and I am merely showing how he distorts and twists what Jesus said and taught.

    Clearly, Eckhart Tolle has spent a lot of time thinking about these things also. How is it freeing to not care to think about God, eternity, heaven, hell, truth, the nature of man, etc. I can’t think of anything better to contemplate.

    I believe Jesus knew what he was saying when he said, “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”


  46. Dear Proleptic Life,

    I am back, just like a bad penny. I have recently reviewed other Christian sites and their near hysterical condemnations of Tolle’s humble and illuminating integral psychology, profound and intuitive understanding of our unitary consciousness and eloquently insightful wisdom of the human condition of suffering. They are filled with a sense of loathing and dread that Tolle’s message is seducing Christians away from orthodox biblical interpretations of Jesus’s sound spiritual truths. Their fear is that he or Oprah, some are even now calling her or Tolle the anti-christ, will literally “convert” Christiandom over to his evil and demonic “New Age” blasphemy. How can one not interpret this clear hysteria as anything but an irrational egoic manifestation of the fear of loss and an existential need to strike out against those perceived as “robbing” them (or others of their faith) of their belief system upon which they are wholly dependent for their sanity and spiritual direction.

    Let’s look at why anyone would be upset at teachings that help people better understand their unconscious and destructive reactive ego mind and give them tremendous new insight into realizing more peace and love through these new insights: Do they feel that Tolle or Oprah in giving him a greater platform and venue to reach large numbers of “their faithful” are somehow co-opting their sacred faith by teaching a wicked and apocraphal doctrine when in reality their faith is actually being enhanced and deepened by their new understanding of self for those it resinates with? Is it then jealousy or envy that motivates their hateful condemnations?

    You state, “I am merely showing how he distorts and twists what Jesus said and taught.” Please show me where his interpretations of quotes attributed to Jesus were distorted. And, then explain to me why your interpretation of said quote is any more valid than his. For Tolle’s interpretation to be “twisted” their must be some baseline interpretation upon which one can decisively prove the “correct” reading of Jesus’ intention or meaning. Since we do not have Jesus here to question as to “his” meaning, the only one that counts, ALL interpretations are therefore valid and should be given equal weight. Therefore, by your characterization of Tolle’s interpretation of Jesus’ sayings as being “distorted”, you mean he is twisting YOUR interpretation or some else’s you have adopted, which again has equal validity since we do not KNOW the original meaning or sense which can only be derived from HE who “supposedly” made it! Can you see that you are in a quandry of your own making. All interpretations are thus valid and it is then solely up to the individual to decide which he prefers or finds more resinance for his life. He can therefore “pick and choose” which he prefers among the options offered or divine a new personal and subjective interpretation of his own. The point is, WHO decides which is the CORRECT interpretation when we do not know the intent of the “presumed” author! EVERYONE is the answer. Therefore, we can not legitimately claim any one view is “distorted”, it is only different but equally valid.
    I personally prefer and find Tolle’s interpretations of Jesus’s words to be the most profound and enlightening of those I have read anywhere. They not only assist me in my enlightenment and understanding but they also elevate the profundity of Jesus Himself by attributing even more wisdom to your Savior than previously granted Him by the likes of us non-”believers”.

    You owe Tolle a debt of gratitude and Oprah for popularizing him, rather than condemnation and vilification. He is actually renewing many Christian’s faith and shining an even more favorable light upon their Redeemer. Rejoice and be of good cheer for Tolle has given new life to the wisdom of the Sermon on The Mount!

    I await your supposed distortions and twists that you claim for Jesus’s new revivalist.

    May your blessing be great,

    Wayne R. Wohler


  47. Hi Wayne,
    I am presently away from home and just had a minute to check in. I thought I explained where Tolle twisted Jesus’ words. Tolle, in a sense, was the one first makes the charge of Jesus’ words being misinterpreted. He repeatedly states that the common orthodox understanding of Jesus’ words is a misunderstanding and distortion. I merely pointed out that if you read the entirety of the New Testament record of Jesus teaching, Tolle is the one who is distorting Jesus’ teaching.

    Without rehashing everything all over again, I’ll just mention one example off the top of my head – and it is a big one – Tolle take Jesus’ use of the phrase “I Am” and applies it to everyone and says that was Jesus’ point. That is either ignorance of the historical context of that phrase or an intentional distortion used to make Jesus fit in with his notions of human nature.

    Without restating everything, I will just refer to the post “You Ain’t I Am.”

    I gave several other examples along these same lines.

    It is not merely my interpretation against Tolle’s interpretation. One merely needs to read and study the text of Jesus’ words, and the entirety of Jesus’ teaching and it becomes clear that Tolle cherry picked a few sayings took them out of context and used them to promote his belief system.

    One can argue whether or not Tolle is correct and Jesus is wrong, but I don’t believe one can reasonably argue that Tolle is right and Jesus is on his side.


  48. Thanks for responding. Your argument is a valid one but puts me and those of similar understanding of our spiritual nature in a serious dilemma. We really have then only two options regarding Jesus teachings if we are to honor your biblical and thus closed interpretation of his intent and meaning of this “I am” quote. We must continue to argue our different interpretation ascribing to Jesus more knowledge and wisdom as to our true spiritual nature that we “New Agers” or Tolle-ites have come to understand, or realize and accept the fact that Jesus was wrong and was therefore a false prophet. What I am therefore saying is that Tolle’s understanding of the I am statement is what WE believe and accept as consistent with our view of reality. If we then are to honor only your interpretation we must jetison Jesus and stop “reading into” his statements what we now percieve as truth. To be logically constistent with your “facts” we must reject the teacher of righteousness and relegate him to the dust bin of iniquity. This would make many of us very sad for we have thought him to have had truly divine knowledge if not exclusionary divinity himself.

    What you are really saying is that you have exclusive rights as Christians to determine his true teachings and you expect us to either accept it or reject it. We are not allowed to adopt him as our own and ascribe “our truth” into his teachings. If this is what you are asking of us by rejecting “our” all inclusive interpretation of his “I am” quote then I for one must give you back your Saviour and cease and desist in “adopting” his wisdom for myself.

    Here is why we have “reinterpreted” Jesus statement or more accurately ascribed Jesus the wisdom we believe he held as to man’s true nature. Tolle’s understanding of the I am statement is consistent with new evidence being revealed by current research into man’s superconscious “soul memories”. If Jesus did not hold these truths than I must admit that Jesus was not the great spiritual teacher I have always believed him to be. How sad.

    I quoted in another post under the article “Who do you say that I am”, “the way of souls” by Dr. Michael Newton which he put together from the reported testimony of over 2000 clients/subjects he had regressed to a discarnate state (see his “Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls: case studies of Life Between Life“). An integral aspect and principle of our soul nature all of his subjects reported to him (most of whom considered themselves “Christian” before their regression) was that “personal enlightenment emanates from within each of us and endows humans with the capability to reach our own divine power without intermediaries.” Dr. Newton had no preconceived notions of an “afterlife”, and in fact believed death was the end of our existence and actually considered himself an atheist until his clients revealed to him the “life between life” of the spirit world of our birth!

    The reason I find Tolle’s teachings so important is that he gives us practical exercises we can use to realize our inherent divinity and actualize the divine qualities that our soul came here to bring into this life. Dr. Newton’s subjects all report the same phenomena and scenario of our spiritual life in a spirit world which controls and monitors our progress here on earth. Here is another principle his subjects all report: “Earth is a place of great beauty and joy but also harbors ignorance, hate, and suffering that are man-made combined with natural planetary disasters over which we have little control. Coping with these positive and negative elements on Earth is by design. This planet is a testing ground for souls rather that being a place of evil, demonic influence from outside our world. Spiritual malevolence does not exist within the divine order of love and compassion that comprises our spiritual origins.” If you would like a brief review of Dr. Newton’s findings, see his 5 part interview on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDT58Q6Zxo&feature=related. Then, read his pioneering work in his two volumes listed above. His subjects all report the same phenomena and spiritual dynamics regardless of their previous “belief system”. This makes his findings not only overwhelmingly compelling but completely veridical. His work is undoubtedly the most revelational of all metaphysical writings to date.

    One other important finding reported by all his clients regardless of their religious or ideological orientation was this: “No earthly religious deities are seen in the spirit world by returning souls. A soul’s closest connection with the divine is with their personal spirit guide and members of a council of benevolent counselors who monitor the affairs of each soul. Souls from earth feel and sense the presence of a god-like Oversoul or Source emanating from above the wise beings who make up individual councils.” Again, these are not the Doctors personal revelations, opinions or beliefs. In fact, as stated above they contradicted his previous “beliefs” completely, as well as most of his subjects who revealed these spiritual realities to him under hypnosis. As you can imagine, this new evidence of our “life between lifes” is an anethema to virtually all religious creeds and dogmas, particularly the most fundamental or orthodox. Tolle’s teachings obviously are aligned with these findings and gives us real world means by which our purpose and mission here, as detailed by Dr. Newton’s subjects, can more fully be actualized.

    If Jesus did not have this understanding as Tolle and I credit him as demonstrating in his “I am” quote, we must conclude that he was not the spiritually enlightened prophet that we have always believed him to be.

    Bottom line: if your adopted biblical interpretation is right, Jesus was wrong and did not know man’s true nature.

    Do you still contend our interpretation is incorrect and distorted? How do I honor your truth without rejecting Jesus?


  49. Wayne,
    All very good points and I understand where you are coming from – I think. I do appreciate your desire to honor Jesus.

    I would not say that one is required to be a Christian to interpret Jesus. Actually, everyone who is a follower of Christ comes to that from outside of Christianity. So of necessity, there was some point in time when they were interpreting Jesus from the “outside.”

    Not only that, but many who reject Christ as the Messiah of God, would say they interpret Jesus’ I Am statements as a statement about unique and absolute divinity and that he wasn’t teaching a truth about human nature, but rather he was proclaiming something unique about himself. The reactions of his contemporaries shows that they understood him to be making such a claim and they accused him of blasphemy.

    Your struggle is a real one and one which I do believe C.S. Lewis correctly analyzed in “Mere Christianity” especially in his much quoted “Liar, Lunatic, Lord” statement. I do think one is better off struggling with this and either taking Jesus’ claims at their face value or rejecting them and him outright.

    Clearly, my hope is that no one would reject him, but I realize many do. I take no pleasure in that.

    Let me first say that I have not read or watched any of Dr. Newton’s studies – not that I won’t or refuse to – I just haven’t had the time to do so as of yet. Having said that, I will say that I am a skeptic when it comes to these sorts of things. Being one who does believe in a spirit realm that coexists with us and that at least a part of that spirit realm is at war with God and only has evil intentions toward man, the possibility for deception in this regard is enormous.

    One of the things I find really interesting about this is the line one can draw from Genesis chapter three down through history even to this present day. The first temptation was about mankind becoming as gods. I believe that is the same temptation one faces today in many of the teachings of Tolle and others. It is even a predominant theme within certain branches of
    Christianity in the teachings of Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland and the like.

    Obviously, I disagree with your bottom line. Jesus knew and knows man better than any man, for he is the one who created man to begin with.

    How do you honor my truth? I would say you could honor it the same way I have tried to honor Tolle’s writing – by studying it, seriously considering the implications of it and the possibilities of its correctness, and then coming to your own conclusions using what I would say is your God given freedom.

    Blessings


  50. “The first temptation was about mankind becoming as gods. I believe that is the same temptation one faces today in many of the teachings of Tolle and others.” This is I believe the key misconception of what God is. Who is this being or actually beings that is worried about man becoming “as gods” (see Zecharia Sitchin‘s, “The Twelfth Planet“). Do you really think God is worried or envious that we might replace him as the Supreme Being and Creator of all that is? He has given us this form from His formlessness so that we might progress toward conjoinment with Him after our journey into form. You assume God, being external to us, is sitting somewhere in a separate place called Heaven overseeing every detail of our lives and is ready to pass his judgment if not His wrath down upon each of us and all of His creation if we deviate from what “you believe”, or what the Bible purports to be, His Will. Now, it is true that we are being monitored and our progressive soul development will be assessed between our lives. But we have learned that it is NOT God or the Source that is monitoring and guiding us in our soul development (although it is reported that His presence is “felt“ at certain times in our spaces there). It is others like ourselves who have advanced beyond incarnation that serve this function e.g. the so-called angels mentioned in many sacred texts. They are loving, caring and forgiving discarnate beings or souls, our progressed selves, who teach, guide and prepare us for each succeeding lifetime here. We are the spiritual beings which traverse between this Heaven or Spirit World, a dimension outside of our space-time continuum, and Earth (see Dr. Michael Newton’s Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls: Case Studies of Life Between Lives).
    The point and nature of our lives is to be God’s experiencers and cocreators here and to further our knowledge and wisdom beyond incarnations. Now, to be “godlike” does not mean we will then have His awesome power of life and death over others and thus be able to direct man’s affairs as was purported in the Bible. As best we can determine, God epitomizes unconditional love, compassion, forgiveness and unlimited caring for which He calls upon mankind to seek to achieve as their highest and noblest ideals in time and eternity-”to be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect”. This understanding is infinitely more satisfying (and borne out from the current evolving evidence) than the morbid tales of God’s jealousy and wrath in which man lives in constant fear of retribution! For what; for being as He created us to be- self-realizing? How foolish are these redacted Sumerian tales as being of our true Creator. They were the historical accounts of our interventionist guardians the Annunaki, who did serve a useful function in creating a more appropriate vessel in which advanced spiritual beings could incarnate us (the neophytes) for the many lessons we are required to learn before we go on to even greater heights of beingness.
    The sad truth as we are now learning, is that the Bible, at least the Old Testament, does not chronicle the acts of God at all, at least regarding our creation! From Genesis on it speaks of the Elohim, of the Nephilim and later of a regional member, Jehovah of the Elohim, who were the Annunaki of the Sumerians who first described and gave us the stories of these quite remarkable “physical” beings. The ones by the way which imprinted their image and their likeness upon us (sorry, God had already done that with our soul, our primary being. We have the Sumerian texts which tell us how this “imprinting“ was done in rather amazing detail consistent with in vitro fertilization-see Sitchin‘s “Genesis Revisited“). Us or man, the physical component being one of the early hominids, probably Homo Erectus, who at that point would have required an additional 2 million years of evolution to be sufficiently advanced to receive a soul. If they had not intervened genetically we would still be “eating from the grasses, drinking from the ditches and playing with the animals” (a Sumerian description of us prior to the “imprint” of their DNA) I know, this is a lot to absorb in one sitting. There is much more.
    My point of all this is that the Old Testament had nothing to do with Jesus’ Father who art in Heaven and who’s kingdom is within each of us. As Paul told us and he was correct in this, He is the unseen and unheard God, not the father of Abraham for He, Jesus’ Father, truly was the I AM before the Annunaki “gods” of the Old Testament, who He created prior to us. So, God did not tempt man, it was man who was tempted to be like his physical midwife, the genetic interventionists who told us they were from the planet Nibiru (see “The Twelfth Planet”), the Annunaki who were later to be called in Hebrew, the Elohim.
    May I suggest you discover for yourselves the origins of the OT and stop giving anything attributable therein to God (the Source of all that is) any credence at all. Since, He is unseen and unheard, any words or visions of “the glory of God and His Hosts” have absolutely nothing to do with our Creator. If you must form a religion, begin it with Jesus and the New Testament and relegate the OT to an antiquated human history save a few Psalms and Proverbs which appear to flow from the soul or spiritual essence of the author.
    Jesus came to awaken us to our true spiritual self which entered into this physical form and world of duality and opposites to manifest the qualities given us by our Source, God, if you will. Beyond this, we know little of our Creator and that is undoubtedly as it should be for now, in our current unrealized form. More will be revealed! Stay tuned.

    Awaken to the voice of God within you for that is the only place it can be heard,

    Wayne Wohler


  51. The message of the cross is nonsense to those who are being destroyed,but it is God power to us who are being saved.The power of now is not from Eckhart Tolle,but from God.The power is the cross and now is the word that the church emphasizes on it:The Holy past is present “now” with power.Let Oprah and Eckhart if they dare,to speak on TV about the real “power of now” of the cross the true miracle of the blood in the book the coin of the temple by souheil bayoud.There you will see who is false and who is right.Their false christ or the real Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior,the coming lion of Judah.
    dayofwrath



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