Comments for Proleptic Life http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com Where the future guides the present Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:01:54 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Responding to the Critics of My Tolle Criticism by prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1583 prolepticlife Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:01:54 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1583 Hi Jim, Thanks for leaving your thoughts. I'm not sure what you mean by judging. I suppose you are referencing Jesus statement "judge not lest you be judged." I think if you read that in the context of everything Jesus said and taught it cannot mean that one is incapable or forbidden from discerning truth from error. I too believe that "everyone has a right to their own belief." But having a right to hold a certain belief is not the same thing as having a right to not being challenged about that belief. Mr. Tolle has every right to hold to his belief system. I will stand with him if anyone were to ever try to keep him from expressing that belief in any way he has the opportunity. I am so thankful I live in a nation that has as some of its core values freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of association. Mr. Tolle has taken the liberty to twist the words of Christ. I am taking the liberty to point that out. Hi Jim,
Thanks for leaving your thoughts. I’m not sure what you mean by judging. I suppose you are referencing Jesus statement “judge not lest you be judged.” I think if you read that in the context of everything Jesus said and taught it cannot mean that one is incapable or forbidden from discerning truth from error.

I too believe that “everyone has a right to their own belief.” But having a right to hold a certain belief is not the same thing as having a right to not being challenged about that belief. Mr. Tolle has every right to hold to his belief system. I will stand with him if anyone were to ever try to keep him from expressing that belief in any way he has the opportunity. I am so thankful I live in a nation that has as some of its core values freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of association. Mr. Tolle has taken the liberty to twist the words of Christ. I am taking the liberty to point that out.

]]> Comment on Responding to the Critics of My Tolle Criticism by Jim Gilbert http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1582 Jim Gilbert Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:59:18 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1582 I have listened to Mr. Tolle's cd,s and they have been very helpful in my search for inner peace. I do not agree with his religous belief however I do not judge him. Everyone has a right their own belief. His theories are helpful to me for putting things in perspective. My suggestion is to concentrate on the things that are helpful and let him deal with god or let god deal with him. I have listened to Mr. Tolle’s cd,s and they have been very helpful in my search for inner peace. I do not agree with his religous belief however I do not judge him. Everyone has a right their own belief. His theories are helpful to me for putting things in perspective. My suggestion is to concentrate on the things that are helpful and let him deal with god or let god deal with him.

]]> Comment on Oprah, Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth by prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1581 prolepticlife Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:00:10 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1581 lovethyneighbor, I guess by completely ignoring the facts you can continue to accuse me of what you yourself do. You can continue to echo Tolle and not deal with the real issues raised here. you can continue to pretend you have arrived. You can play the gnostic game and act as though you are above it all with your supposed superior knowledge. All the while looking down on us poor, confused ignorant people who actually take the time to consider what Jesus said and taught in the historical and theological context in which it was done. lovethyneighbor,
I guess by completely ignoring the facts you can continue to accuse me of what you yourself do. You can continue to echo Tolle and not deal with the real issues raised here. you can continue to pretend you have arrived. You can play the gnostic game and act as though you are above it all with your supposed superior knowledge. All the while looking down on us poor, confused ignorant people who actually take the time to consider what Jesus said and taught in the historical and theological context in which it was done.

]]> Comment on Oprah, Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth by lovethyneighbor http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1580 lovethyneighbor Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:01:14 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1580 This is a classic example of how the ego will go to any lengths to defend itself. It moves through the collective unconscious or through an individual. Unarguably, there is a taste of satisfaction derived from the feeling of superiority. I have direct experience with feeling 'better than' or more 'spiritual' and I can safely say that it's just my Ego at work. Arguing about which meaning is correct and or which translation is more significant than another.. The declaration that I am being victimized by your opinions is perhaps at the core of the painbody-- All I can say is that I am clear about my purpose and what God would have me be and do. Truthfully, it really has nothing to do with this site and or the point I was trying to make, which by the way, it got lost in all this dogma. This is a classic example of how the ego will go to any lengths to defend itself. It moves through the collective unconscious or through an individual. Unarguably, there is a taste of satisfaction derived from the feeling of superiority. I have direct experience with feeling ‘better than’ or more ’spiritual’ and I can safely say that it’s just my Ego at work. Arguing about which meaning is correct and or which translation is more significant than another.. The declaration that I am being victimized by your opinions is perhaps at the core of the painbody– All I can say is that I am clear about my purpose and what God would have me be and do. Truthfully, it really has nothing to do with this site and or the point I was trying to make, which by the way, it got lost in all this dogma.

]]> Comment on Oprah, Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth by prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1579 prolepticlife Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:07:07 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1579 Lovethyneighbor, It continually amazes me how hypocritical these kinds of responses continue to be and how large a misunderstanding you continue to have of the Christian faith. You accuse me of being judgemental, repressive and hateful while you practice those very things. You judge my motives, my emotions, and my ability to reason and think through the issues before us. You say i am holding to some rigid belief system, while you yourself keep echoing the ridiculous and meaningless nonsense of 'painbodies' and 'ego' straight out of Tolle's writings. You call me 'holier than thou' while acting as though you are on some higher spiritual plane and have arrived at some sort of nirvana. Please don't accuse me of what you yourself practice. That is what hypocrisy is. You totally misunderstand the very heart of the Christian faith. I am not holier than thou. Nor am I classifying others as evil and bad while excusing myself and declaring myself holy. I am a sinner saved by grace. I believe in redemption for sinners like me through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ the one and only Son of God. Jesus is the I Am. We are not God, he is. We will not, nor can we find salvation in ourselves. There is no other name under heaven, whereby we must be saved other than the name of Jesus. You say Eckhart Tolle doesn't represent a belief system and yet you argue against mine and promote his. You echo his words straight out of his books. You believe what he is teaching. That is a belief system. This nonsense is merely a way of avoiding the issues I have raised. He distorts and twists the sayings of Jesus, makes Jesus into a god of his own making and after his own image, and then tries to deflect critical analysis by saying he doesn't have nor is he promoting a belief system. If it is not a belief system then why argue against what I am saying? Lovethyneighbor,
It continually amazes me how hypocritical these kinds of responses continue to be and how large a misunderstanding you continue to have of the Christian faith.

You accuse me of being judgemental, repressive and hateful while you practice those very things. You judge my motives, my emotions, and my ability to reason and think through the issues before us.

You say i am holding to some rigid belief system, while you yourself keep echoing the ridiculous and meaningless nonsense of ‘painbodies’ and ‘ego’ straight out of Tolle’s writings.

You call me ‘holier than thou’ while acting as though you are on some higher spiritual plane and have arrived at some sort of nirvana.

Please don’t accuse me of what you yourself practice. That is what hypocrisy is.

You totally misunderstand the very heart of the Christian faith.

I am not holier than thou. Nor am I classifying others as evil and bad while excusing myself and declaring myself holy. I am a sinner saved by grace. I believe in redemption for sinners like me through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ the one and only Son of God. Jesus is the I Am. We are not God, he is. We will not, nor can we find salvation in ourselves. There is no other name under heaven, whereby we must be saved other than the name of Jesus.

You say Eckhart Tolle doesn’t represent a belief system and yet you argue against mine and promote his. You echo his words straight out of his books. You believe what he is teaching. That is a belief system. This nonsense is merely a way of avoiding the issues I have raised. He distorts and twists the sayings of Jesus, makes Jesus into a god of his own making and after his own image, and then tries to deflect critical analysis by saying he doesn’t have nor is he promoting a belief system. If it is not a belief system then why argue against what I am saying?

]]> Comment on Oprah, Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth by lovethyneighbor http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1578 lovethyneighbor Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:38:59 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1578 Just go to http://www.eckharttolle.com/home/ and see for yourself. You will at once become threatened by the message of awareness and openness. Your egos will not be able to handle the possibility that perhaps the fear that propels you to support and promote your own rigid belief systems is in fact what judgment, repression and hatred are made of. All which is also fueled by your own painbody that continues to regenerate itself by classifying others as 'evil'or 'bad' and you as 'better than' and 'holier' than thou. If however, you have a sense that as humans, traversing this earth, you are in fact at the grip of your pain and egos than you are in step with the beginning of your awakening. It doesn't matter if you maintain your belief system or not, Eckhart Tolle doesn't represent a belief system. His teachings are about forming an alliance with the now. Just go to http://www.eckharttolle.com/home/
and see for yourself. You will at once become threatened by the message of awareness and openness. Your egos will not be able to handle the possibility that perhaps the fear that propels you to support and promote your own rigid belief systems is in fact what judgment, repression and hatred are made of. All which is also fueled by your own painbody that continues to regenerate itself by classifying others as ‘evil’or ‘bad’ and you as ‘better than’ and ‘holier’ than thou. If however, you have a sense that as humans, traversing this earth, you are in fact at the grip of your pain and egos than you are in step with the beginning of your awakening. It doesn’t matter if you maintain your belief system or not, Eckhart Tolle doesn’t represent a belief system. His teachings are about forming an alliance with the now.

]]> Comment on Responding to the Critics of My Tolle Criticism by prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1577 prolepticlife Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:58:46 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1577 Christa, No problem about the spelling. I do that myself at times. I realize it is hard to take the time to fully write what we are trying to say. Not trying to nitpick but the Scripture you are quoting was not directly said by Christ - at least not during his time on this earth. It is from Psalm 46. "Be still and know that I am God and I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth!" The Psalmist goes on to identify the God who is speaking as the "Lord of hosts and the God of Jacob." Under no amount of trying to reinterpret this can one come up with any kind of self-godhood that Tolle espouses. You ask me if I have looked in to anything other than Christianity? Well, that is where these posts originated. I have read Tolle to begin with. But that is not all. I have studied Catholicism, Mormonism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. I don't claim to be an expert on them by any means, but I have a basic grasp of what they teach. I have come to know and believe that Jesus is the Christ (the one and only Christ and Messiah) and the Savior for all who will receive him. Christa,
No problem about the spelling. I do that myself at times. I realize it is hard to take the time to fully write what we are trying to say.
Not trying to nitpick but the Scripture you are quoting was not directly said by Christ – at least not during his time on this earth. It is from Psalm 46. “Be still and know that I am God and I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth!” The Psalmist goes on to identify the God who is speaking as the “Lord of hosts and the God of Jacob.” Under no amount of trying to reinterpret this can one come up with any kind of self-godhood that Tolle espouses.

You ask me if I have looked in to anything other than Christianity? Well, that is where these posts originated. I have read Tolle to begin with. But that is not all. I have studied Catholicism, Mormonism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. I don’t claim to be an expert on them by any means, but I have a basic grasp of what they teach.

I have come to know and believe that Jesus is the Christ (the one and only Christ and Messiah) and the Savior for all who will receive him.

]]> Comment on Responding to the Critics of My Tolle Criticism by Christa ayers http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1576 Christa ayers Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:04:25 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1576 Sorry things were misspelled I was in a rush :) please don't get defensive, think about what i said, just like i thought about what you said. Sorry things were misspelled I was in a rush :)
please don’t get defensive,
think about what i said,
just like i thought about what you said.

]]> Comment on Responding to the Critics of My Tolle Criticism by Christa ayers http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1575 Christa ayers Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:01:23 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/responding-to-the-critics-of-my-tolle-criticism/#comment-1575 There will be a universal laugh amongst the population when the structure and its solidity in our minds finally recognizes its place as an illusion. First of all, if one is making an arguement about there religion or practice i think it shows true disconnectedness from god when there ego pervades in every arguement that they have written about defending Christianity. Jesus's sciptures are meant to be seen through the eyes of ones truest self and in recognition one knows that his words are not the sun itself or (god) but a mirrior or pointer into which one can discover it through themselves. "Be still and know i am god" Jesus says. As a person whos ego obviousy pervades there arguement against all but christianity one can assume that there relationship with christianity feels threatened. " be still and know i am god" Can infact be take in more than just the christian interpretation. through the ego it can be though that jesus was talking about himself, but through the eyes of non-self in which jesus talked about is that he was refering to us " being stil and knowing we are god" Honestly, have you looked into anything besides christianity. Albert einstein " it is unfortunate when spirituality is trated for a mental belief that people are scared in to" You know not what you do. Jesus would over turn your table, if he lived today. You only know god through a belief not through your self. There will be a universal laugh amongst the population when the structure and its solidity in our minds finally recognizes its place as an illusion. First of all, if one is making an arguement about there religion or practice i think it shows true disconnectedness from god when there ego pervades in every arguement that they have written about defending Christianity. Jesus’s sciptures are meant to be seen through the eyes of ones truest self and in recognition one knows that his words are not the sun itself or (god) but a mirrior or pointer into which one can discover it through themselves. “Be still and know i am god” Jesus says. As a person whos ego obviousy pervades there arguement against all but christianity one can assume that there relationship with christianity feels threatened. ” be still and know i am god” Can infact be take in more than just the christian interpretation. through the ego it can be though that jesus was talking about himself, but through the eyes of non-self in which jesus talked about is that he was refering to us ” being stil and knowing we are god” Honestly, have you looked into anything besides christianity. Albert einstein ” it is unfortunate when spirituality is trated for a mental belief that people are scared in to” You know not what you do. Jesus would over turn your table, if he lived today. You only know god through a belief not through your self.

]]> Comment on Oprah, Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth by prolepticlife http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1574 prolepticlife Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:58:22 +0000 http://prolepticlife.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/oprah-eckhart-tolle-a-new-earth/#comment-1574 Well reasoned and thoughtful comment...If hypocrisy is accusing others of what you yourself do, it seems you are looking in the mirror when you cast that stone. Well reasoned and thoughtful comment…If hypocrisy is accusing others of what you yourself do, it seems you are looking in the mirror when you cast that stone.

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